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When India and China Compete, India Always Loses

已有 344 次阅读2017-5-5 13:30 |个人分类:中国| Always, China, Always




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While international attention has been preoccupied with Donald Trump and his reactions to North Korea’s nuclear capability and the war in Syria, India and China have been provocatively needling each other over their long-running and potentially explosive border dispute in the Himalayan mountains.

The world need not worry, however, because, instead of nuclear strikes or even, as often happens, troops crossing the undefined border, China last week issued new names for places in India’s north-eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which it claims as its territory.

This was in response to India allowing the Dalai Lama, the Tibetan Buddhist spiritual leader who lives in India in exile, to go to the state earlier this month for a high profile eight-day pastoral tour.

India is not strong internationally and does not often score against China, its larger and more powerful neighbor. China usually has the upper hand – for example, by blocking India’s membership of the little-known but significant Nuclear Suppliers’ Group in Geneva, and encircling India by developing close relationships and investing in countries that India regards as its bailiwick.

China is also planning a massive “One Belt One Road” economic trading and transport corridor between Asia and Europe that has exposed India’s diplomatic weakness because the government does not know how to react.

India has, however, scored three times this month: first, by allowing the Dalai Lama to go to Arunachal which China calls Southern Tibet; then by laying out the red carpet in quick succession for state visits by Sheikh Hasina, the prime minister of Bangladesh, and by the president of Nepal. China is constantly trying to wean away these two Indian neighbors.

04_25_India_China_01The Dalai Lama at the Yiga Choezin ground in Tawang District near the India-China border in Arunachal Pradesh, April 10, 2017. John Elliott writes that despite all that has been achieved developing a poverty-stricken country to an increasingly modern economy, India has yet to develop the confidence or the ability to be significant in its own region and on the world stage.BIJU BORO/AFP/GETTY

Last year, China undermined India’s regional role by striking $25 billion agreements with Bangladesh, including the supply of two submarines. India struck back during Sheikh Hasina’s visit with a $9 billion bundle of agreements including $4.5 billion line of concessional credit. India also scored a point with Nepal by persuading it to scale back a ten-day military exercise with China that was taking place during the president’s visit.

China invests $2bn in Bangladesh gas

Yesterday, however, it was announced that two Chinese corporations are buying from Chevron  gas fields in Bangladesh that account for more than half the country’s total gas output, with a price tag of $2 billion. This is especially significant because it is China’s first energy investment in South Asia.

Related: The Festering Religious Violence That Underpins Modi's India


China showed unusual irritation, even anger, over the Dalai Lama, who has led a largely uncontroversial life in northern India since he fled from China in 1959. It always objects when he receives high profile welcomes abroad, which sometimes leads to countries such as the US and UK toning down the reception he receives.

He has previously visited Arunachal six times since 1959, the last being in 2009, and Beijing always issues strong and ineffective complaints. This time it stepped up its (again ineffective) protests by summoning India’s ambassador in Beijing to warn, as the foreign ministry spokesperson put it, that it would “take necessary means to defend its territorial sovereignty and legitimate rights and interests”.

India should “immediately stop its erroneous move of using the Dalai Lama to undermine China’s interests” because, by permitting the visit, it had “escalated the boundary dispute” between the two countries.

China claimed that Modi had allowed the Dalai Lama to go to the area for the first time in nine years to provoke Beijing (at a time when relationships have been worsening), which, of course, India denied. The visit was particularly sensitive because the Dalai Lama was boosting his role as the people’s spiritual leader with a long road journey through towns and villages to a monastery at Tawang that is the focus of Beijing’s territorial claims.  

A day before he reached Tawang, where he had stayed when he fled from China, the official China Daily warned that Beijing “would not hesitate to answer blows with blows” if he was allowed to continue, which of course he was and did.

China retaliates

The more controversially outspoken Global Timessuggested that China could retaliate by supporting the anti-Indian militancy in Kashmir – which, Delhi would say, it already does by condoning Pakistan’s role in the area’s currently escalating unrest.

“With a GDP several times higher than that of India, military capabilities that can reach the Indian Ocean and having good relations with India’s peripheral nations, coupled with the fact that India’s turbulent northern state borders China, will Beijing lose to New Delhi?” the newspaper taunted.

Eventually, however, China did no more , at least overtly, than renaming the places – about which, of course, India complained.

The Dalai Lama tending to his Buddhist flock, and China’s response, are just a by-play in a much larger story of India’s dwindling regional clout, which contrasts with the apparent strength of Narendra Modi’s government that aims to make the country internally and regionally strong and internationally important.

India has for years aspired to be a player on the world stage and covets a seat on the United Nations Security Council, which China opposes. But, as its leaders recognize, it will not become such a player until it overcomes its economic and social problems at home, in particular its hundreds of millions of undernourished and undereducated poor.

I was struck by this weakness after attending a series of recent conferences and seminars in Delhi. Many of the points are not new, indeed I covered them in detail in my book IMPLOSION: India’s Tryst with Destiny a couple of years ago. But they strike home three years into the Modi government, which should be making a better job of making India achieve its potential.

It started at a London School of Economicsconference in Delhi where a discussion on India moving from being a “third world to regional power” showed that it wasn’t moving very far, even though it has the world’s fastest growing economy at around 7 percent. Ashley Tellis, a leading US academic who was reported earlier this year to be on Washington’s list for America’s next ambassador to India, said that the country was not “moving at a pace” that would enable it to take on China or enjoy the international clout of other world powers.

Vikram Sood, a former senior Indian diplomat, said it was inevitable that India’s neighbors would not like it because they were so much smaller. He might have added that India’s diplomats have not learned how to woo their smaller neighbors and are outclassed by China’s money-led diplomacy, though Sri Lanka has recently found China infrastructure investment terms too onerous.

A few days later, it was India’s failure to cope with “One Belt One Road” – the Belt Road Initiative (BRI) as it is also known – for highways, railways, sea links and pipelines to Europe that emerged strongly at the Observer Research Foundation (ORF), a leading Delhi think tank.

China’s ambitious aim for 2049 is to utilize its surplus industrial and financial capacity, to develop trade and financial markets and to extend its sea power and diplomatic reach by linking as many as 65 countries and 4.4 billion people in Asia, East Africa, the Middle East and Europe. It builds on the ancient Silk Road and Trans-Siberian railway and other existing projects, as well as including China’s contentious claims to control the South China Sea.

This is a challenge for India because the project brings all its neighbors closer into China’s orbit. The plan also includes a separate project to built a China Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) linking the ancient city of Kashgar in western China with Pakistan’s Gwadar port (built by China) on the Arabian sea close to the border with Iran.

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India has objected to this because it goes through the northern region of Pakistan which India claims as part of Jammu and Kashmir. India does not seriously expect to ever gain this territory, but it lodges the claim in response to Pakistan wanting India’s part of Kashmir. It objected without any success over 40 years ago when China built the Karakoram Highway, which forms part of the corridor, in Pakistan’s Northern Areas.

“For India, blocking the BRI is not feasible; ignoring it would be self-defeating,” said Manoj Joshi, a leading journalist and senior ORF fellow at the seminar. “New Delhi needs to work with like-minded states on a strategy that can use BRI to its own ends and minimise its downsides to its own economic and geopolitical standing” .

The next day, at a Carnegie India seminar, there was anxiety about whether US-India ties, which have been developed over the past decade, would not be so important to Donald Trump. That could significantly weaken India in its dealings with China.

And the day after that, at the Vivekananda International Foundation which is close to the BJP government, there was concern about how badly India sells itself to the world – and provided no real answers about how that could be improved.

Those few days, together with the Dalai Lama spat and the neighborly visits, put the India story in context as it approaches its 70th anniversary of independence.

Despite all that has been achieved developing a poverty-stricken country to an increasingly modern economy, India has yet to develop the confidence or the ability to be significant in its own region and on the world stage.

It is increasingly losing out to China and there is no sign of that changing.

John Elliott writes from New Delhi. His latest book is Implosion: 


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Mathew M. Philips · 
India has no grand designs. China has. So, how could India possibly compete head-to-head when it is not in their DNA to exert influence all over the world? It is the American and Western mindset that one has to dominate, to be great. Well, even great empires of past dominated, were great, and then disappeared into the trash can of history. Trump will see to it that America will follow in similar fashion, as it is the U.S. that is the real loser when China ascends. 

Chinese merchant ships in the 15th century were already cruising the waters of the Indian Ocean, off of Kerala, and described in their logs, how they have never come across any place where people of various stripes lived in peace and harmony. (Chinese are traders, first. Westerners are conquerors, first, as they believe in imposition, just like Muslims.)
Manohar Bauskar · 
We don't need grand designs. Invasion based Capitalism is a temporary, It can't help any country forever. wait sometime more. We Indians have patience and tolerance. Hopeless and Hindu these 2 words never can stay together. Action will start at right time.
Like6Apr 25, 2017 5:22am
Avi Tir
Stupid see the history of India
Like1Apr 25, 2017 7:00am
Saji Antony
Indians were traders also during those days. Look at ancient India's influence which stretched to the south eastern regions (Thailand, Indonesia, etc). Even Buddhism spread all the way to Japan. Past colonial decimation, India didn't raise as one would have expected like China did last three decades. I think Indian political parties, particularly Congress need to be blamed for it. But the democratic system is for changing parties and the political system when they do no good for the nation. That is happening (also in France). So coming decades could be very different.
Like7Apr 25, 2017 9:52amEdited
Krishna Menon · 
It comes from a white imperialist thug?????? We don't care wat elliott spit???
Loose Goose
it's difficult to hear the truth sometimes. but it's good for you. So keep your antiquated slogans to yourself and hear the author has to say.
Like2Apr 25, 2017 11:32am
Divjot Punia · 
China's successful influence with Pakistan was low hanging fruit given its rivalry with India. But chinas influence with Nepal, Bangladesh and Sri Lanka should raise alarm bells in India. Denying it is dangerous to India's security interests. Shooting the messenger won't make the problem go away.
Like1Apr 25, 2017 4:24pm
Manohar Bauskar · 
Blah Blah Blah of John Eliott. Little brain , game is just started.
Khalid M Bhatti · 
India has no dynamics to become a regional power. The all hype and myth about indian progress and advancement is the creation of USA and western powers, who want to inflate the baloon to become a dragon (to counter china) which its not. India is strife with sectarian, religious, racial and lingual conflicts. Many of its states want independence from Indian rule and sooner or later India will shrink to Utter pradesh and Gujrat and rest of it will become independent states. So I suggest, west must abandon efforts to make India great.
Avi Tir
You stupid Khalid get out of my country 'Jis thali mai khata hai usi m ched karta hai'
Like5Apr 25, 2017 6:59am
Khalid M Bhatti · 
Avi Tir I am not stupid nor I live in India but want to Rajasthan become an independent state, its belong to Rajputs not banya Hindus.
Like3Apr 25, 2017 8:02am
Krishna Menon · 
ha ha ha porki troll alert
Like5Apr 25, 2017 8:19am
Anjam Desi
Dear John Idiott - Excellent analysis, as always.
Avi Tir
Stupid get out of my country
Like1Apr 25, 2017 7:01am
Srinivas Suryadevara · 
N.Korea has been threatening US for the last two decades. US warns N.Korea and N.Korea retaliates by saying more. US sends an aircraft carrier and Kim threatens to drown it. N.Korea's belligrance comes from Chinese support but Trump makes a trade deal with China to control N.Korea!!!!!!! so does this present article goes on. Just read the news articles around and produce one of your own. Sometimes Pakistan takes such articles seriously and goes to war with India. Nobody comes to its rescue and Bangladesh appears on world map. So is there anything that should be taken serious from this news ite...See More
Ravi Xavier · 
WE HAVE NAMED CHINA INDIA EXTENTION.CHINA IS A COMMUNIST COUNTRY WHILE INDIA IS THE WORLDS BIGGEST DEMOCRACY DONT FORGET THAT.
Simon Dan
India is the biggest democracy with the most corrupt ruling class while most of its citizens are illiterate and would vote for anyone give them food in exchange of votes. In a nut shell, India is the biggest FAKE democracy in the world!!!
Like4Apr 25, 2017 7:46am
Manohar Bauskar · 
Simon Dan wow ! Great logic. Countries which invades other countries are true democracies ? India faced 1000 years invasion so we need some time . First create true democracy in your country. Yes we have corruption because we got bullied again and again by US and China after freedom in 1947. Now its time to end corruption. Today India is global player. Corruption is result of Foreign policy failure. Pakistan is a true democracy ? but they got support from all western democracies until 2001.
Like5Apr 25, 2017 8:47amEdited
Bala Srinivasan · 
Works at Retired
Simon Dan just as I reply to your allegation I see breaking news in CNN about GEN FLYNN taking money from RUSSIA in the scandal concerning TRUMP&his cotiers involvement in election fiasco.If USA the richest democracy is this corrupt what to talk of INDIA.
Like2Apr 25, 2017 11:25am
Charles Henry Harpole · 
His Holiness is a proven man of peace. Red China wants their own Dalai Lama and will do that asap. Red China does lead the world..... yes in crimes against humanity.
Surinder Sahajpal
only time will tell
Cape Padman
India gave asylum to Dalai Lama and his Tibetan Buddhists in the 1950s. Tibetan Buddhism, culture have have survived because of that and Dalai Lama survived. India took enormous risks with the Chinese communists when no other country including Europe and America was willing to undeertake that responsibility. These countries did not want to irk the Communist China. Giving asylum to Dalai Lama and saving Tibetan Buddhism got India into trouble with a war with China in the 1960s. India lost th war, the worst defeat. Dalai Lama still seems to be the issue for China, Arunachal Pradesh is another issue, may be a disputed territory like Kashmir but if another war erupts between India and china, how many European countries and America are going to actively support India? India will lose again. But I am still happy that Dalai Lama and Tibetan Buddhism survived because of Indians.
శివకృష్ణ చౌదరి · 
if another war will arise, there will be no winners only losers. mutual self destruction
Like2Apr 25, 2017 1:34pm
Chintalapuri Saivenkat Reddy · 
India is not a sitting duck..It's army is ill prepared in 1962 unlike now..It has one of the most battle hardened army in the world..Numbers don't win u wars n times have changed..
LikeApr 28, 2017 4:21am
Ramjii Ajii · 
I dont see much future for india, nearly 20% of the minority is enchanted by the hatred the majority violence on them. The govt. silently support the hate mongers. China, you just wait, as time goes the vegitarians will shirink in size and courage which in turn will bring them in submission.
Saji Antony
Atleast vegetarianism encourages people to plant more and more fruit trees which is good for us to breath oxygen.
Like2Apr 25, 2017 4:05pm
Amar Singh
The big difference is they are not crushed as people in China.
Like2Apr 25, 2017 5:47pm
Chintalapuri Saivenkat Reddy · 
But tanks are not rolling over them, right?..Nor did India ban using Muslim names like Mohammed etc...China itself is hate monger..It's racism is can be felt very well (Han)
Like1Apr 28, 2017 4:19am
Akm Dhl
US has run orgies all over the Planet with Countries of its choosing n India has benn in its cross hair ever since Brit exit in 1947 - waging proxy war with pak the paid puppet and then facilitated by China by serving the red meat n let it get away by bullying Ind in return pressure on communist govt to loosen up its grip on capitalist hong kong n Taiwan modles isince 70s aka Nixonian World view.
Maya Aomori · 
Idiot, US has not controlled any country nor has it created enemies for any country, all countries that hated eachother before US influence still hated each other after... China and India have always been enemies, pakistan and India, The US benefits from the fact that countries do not get along with their neighbors but the US does not cause them to not get along
LikeApr 25, 2017 2:43pm
Saji Antony
Maya Aomori I agree to some point. But abetting the existing enmity is what US has been doing for some years in the name of its fight against communism. US is partly to blame for the all malice we have seen in 20th century.
LikeApr 25, 2017 4:04pm
Dapeng Xiong · 
India has a great culture and it has a lot of talented well-eductaed as well. India will do well sooner or later. The border problems between China and India were seeded by British and both China and India will be smart enough to solve them.
Rajiv Shah · 
i agree we have a similar civilisation . what i fail to understand is why enmity between the 2 countries. whereas it has nothing in common with pakistan and yet.......
LikeApr 25, 2017 12:07pm
Singam Pitchay Marie · 
Trade blocks and communities like that of the EU type which China is now engaging to develop will oneday be too amphibious and will suffer the fate of the EU type when some economies find that joining a big trade block or economic union has risk like what Britain realised when instead of member states contributing to the economic development of the Union, they denegenerated and produced undercurrents that could destroy the economies of the stronger members of the Union. Furthermore the Chinese attempt to reopen the Silk Road is like reinventing the wheel. Trade by land transport may not be re...See More
Loose Goose
Indians are so clueless about their country's standing in the world today. China left them in the dust 20 years ago. They are in no way "rivals" . lol
Manohar Bauskar · 
China left India in dust 20 years ago ? no we decided to stay in dust 20years ago because our literacy rate, scientific achievements and global support was not impressive 20years ago. Same China is ready to invest 1 trillion USD in India. That's enough to tell you future potentials of Indian Economy. But Last deal decided Until 2019 China will invest 20billion$ in India . Current Chinese investment 4-5 Billion $ in India and India's investment in China around 650Million.$
Like1Apr 25, 2017 4:13pmEdited
Amar Singh
Who told you that India wants to be 'Rival"? India wants development and if China stops anti india encirclement and approach india with good faith it may listen to china.OBOR will not be succesful when it doesn't connect 1.5 billion people with vast market in its own neighbourhood.
China needs to change its strategy to win india and make OBOR successful, Indian doesn't need China but China needs India
Like3Apr 25, 2017 5:45pm
Francis Fung · 
Francis Fung Francis Fung China’s Belt & Road to drive 2nd-generation Globalization Updated
By Francis C W Fung, Ph.D., University of Notre Dame; Director General of the World Harmony Organization, based in San Francisco, CA, US
America initiated the 20th Century world trade globalization. But the 2008 world financial crisis caused by the U.S. toxic asset collapse and its worldwide devastating spread signaled the end of the good days of world trade globalization of the 20th Century. 
Seven years later world major economies in the world are still mired in great recession with the exception of C...See More
Anupam Pathak · 
Your article really dragged me into writing John. I'm not here to defend India, no. I'm here because your article will be read by millions across the globe and be misguided into seeing the undermining picture that you want them to see. I hope it is only a coincidence, a strange one though, that there has been a flurry of articles published by British writers off late that seem to show one side of the coin, and by off late I mean the era when India has leapfrogged Britain in terms of GDP (nominal, because PPP comparison would cut Britain out of the picture anyway), defence spending, technological advancements in almost all fields, growth of course, and is a state of reluctance to sign major business deals. Yes poverty is on a higher degree agreed, China a powerhouse agreed but blatant lies of the global scenario? Just the west intimidated "off late" ? Delusional much.
Raghu Futura · 
Works at Novell
Buddhism went to China from India. Chinese leadership will NOT be able to suppress the normal Chinese people who still relate to and are proud of their antiquity. As the controlled economy of China slowly moves closer to meet standards of "global market" economy, Chinese people will be more liberated from the clutches of their leaders. It will take time, but in this NEW race, China cannot win that easily although for an onlooker a well governed strong China seems more visible.
Rangaesh Gadasalli · 
India is signing many mega business deals with Jaoan and South Korea and it is also helping Myanmar with a new high way . India is investing big in Srilanka and is helping Nepal also. Through Buddist roots and connections, India can make a huge influence on China and Asia.
Like1Apr 25, 2017 8:06pm
Daksh Shukla · 
everyone is riding the china hype train. It is momentary exhuberance. The world romanticizes the same country which it admonished 10 years ago. The rise of poorer countries is inevitable but i don't think china is as powerful as it's made out to be. It has not been tested yet.
Krithivas Ramamurthy · 
This is a very good article. India and China have involuntarily strayed away from their core civilizational strengths. India became *weak* because of colonization and China became a *brute* because of communism. And I have no clue where this is going to lead next.
Amit Parmar · 
Wow. Bashing India seems popular these days. Thats ok, the country is moving forward regardless of the haters.
Amar Singh
I guess you like bashing India. India competed with many countries including China in IT and by far beat each country in providing cost effective solutions. Space is another area it has excelled and cost effective. Before looking at India's small neighbours look at how bad is China's neighbourhood. OBOR you highlighted is not in india's interests. China can't be succesful with OBOR leaving India's 1.3 billion people with vast market out of it. Sooner it understand and stop anti India activities better for both China and India.
Che Ngokhang · 
Well, there's a lot of cacophonny between the emerging Asian powers with all sorts of finger pointing and hegemonic rhetorics, to say the least. It doesn't bother me one bit. Schooled in Tibet in the traditional Tibetan way, later the communist way in the late 50s. Then the Christian way in northern India for a decade in the 60s, subsequently, in the 70s in the US. I don't know what it is because I trully enjoyed all my experiences in different countries under different systems and circumstances. I guess it's because I feel that I'm stateless, which the Dalai Lama calls it freedom in exile. Zeenda ke mai kuch kuch hota hai.
Rangaesh Gadasalli · 
India never had a border with China and india had borders with Tibet for thousands of years. India gave shelter to his holiness Dalai lama and his followers for almost 60 years. Tibetan children has been treated well, given good education and thousands have excelled in many fields and have gone to many European countries and US. India never gets compliments for this. Hope the world supports the demand for an autonomous Tibet with in China. Complete religious freedom should be guaranteed to this great Historic country.
Like4Apr 25, 2017 7:56pm
Steven Xie
Rangaesh Gadasalli India has border with Tibet but why it illegally occupies Tawang? Cheaters.
Like1Apr 26, 2017 12:47am
Jamyang Namgyal Shuma · 
Steven Xie really,,, is what they preach of everything that is out China huh,,, get out and do some homework on history,humanity n whatever
Like1Apr 26, 2017 2:35pm
Che Ngokhang · 
If I'm given a choice to live in China or India, the choice is very simple. Without batting an eye I go for India where people have democratic freedom. I've lived under both systems. Jai bahrat!
Rangaesh Gadasalli · 
Highly biased one sided article. The writer seems to have fallen in love with china as he has not come with ONE single sentence,positive about India. May be he is under the influence of herbal meda from Hong Kong. This is year 2017. All the Small countries around Chin have complaints against the expansionist designs of China. China helping Pakistan with terror exporting industry is going to back fire soon. Pakistan will break up into three pieces as provinces are fighting for independence. Chines e people are aging where India has the maximum number f youths any country can have in the world. Make in AMERica slogan is going to hurt China and USA will watch all the financail manipulations of chinese currency. China will be compelled to stop north korean dictator-- if they fail, Koreans will be hurt, Chi na will go down very badly.
Sanjay Garg · 
Nothing to see here - move along folks. Elliott's job is to puff up China at India's expense and there are other "Elliott types" out there whose job is to do the opposite. Cannot count the number of times I've seen or read how China is in so much trouble and India is the place to invest.
Mike Lin
Oops .. that would ruffle quite a few Indian feathers LoL.
Faruque Hasan · 
The territorial disputes between China and India; between India and Pakistan; and between Pakistan and Afghanistan have been left behind by a colonial power. That past colonial power is now enjoying fish and chips and hot curry at home; and these countries are perpetually quarrelling on pieces of land. Wake up Asia, this century belongs to you if you don't drain out your energy on border disputes.



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